tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post6587616466952968931..comments2023-08-16T03:16:12.073-07:00Comments on Christian Apologetics: Did the Christians forget their Covenant? Does it Imply that the Injeel was Corrupted?Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-89211226973085794882009-09-25T19:24:44.981-07:002009-09-25T19:24:44.981-07:00I wouldn't debate Osama Abdullah. That's m...I wouldn't debate Osama Abdullah. That's my humble advice, the reason why is because he's too arrogant, ignorant, racist, etc. Plus go to his site, if you want an internet virus.<br /><br />I don't think he'll ever learn that he needs to study more and more if he's ever going to get anywhere with Islamic Apologetics.<br /><br />As for coming to America-- what David and Nabeel do to raise funds is simply ask Pastor George Saiege of Arabic Christian Perspective. I am sure he will be able to pay for your trip. If not I will try to cover some of it. But yeah, I don't do online debates-- they are too long and with School and studies, I really can't.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Ehteshaam Gulam<br />http://www.answering-christian-claims.comEhteshaam Gulamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643516134436298232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-21742762975099772009-09-25T14:34:03.237-07:002009-09-25T14:34:03.237-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ehteshaam Gulamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643516134436298232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-19233701367995249142009-09-24T23:12:13.154-07:002009-09-24T23:12:13.154-07:00And my dear brother Rafael,
welcome to my blog, d...And my dear brother Rafael,<br /><br />welcome to my blog, do feel at homeHogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-46533209526365467662009-09-24T23:11:24.685-07:002009-09-24T23:11:24.685-07:00The reason why I said online debating is because t...The reason why I said online debating is because the matters we discuss here demand much writing, perhaps too much writing. It might be much easier to talk them through over a mic.Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-85957854638009680222009-09-24T23:09:35.974-07:002009-09-24T23:09:35.974-07:00Let me see. Coming to USA next year is to me at th...Let me see. Coming to USA next year is to me at the moment firstly a question about expenses. <br />But lets put it this way, if David Wood and Nabeel plan another debate serie in USA, then maybe they could include us two (I will try to raise the money somehow); furthermore I would love to do a debate with Osama Abdallah about science in the Bible and the Qur'an at the same time.Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-91750489929445421812009-09-24T17:17:10.283-07:002009-09-24T17:17:10.283-07:00Hogan, where do you live?
If you would like you ...Hogan, where do you live? <br /><br />If you would like you should come to Michigan and we can debate this either next year or something. I am sure if David and Nabeel crossed the pond, you should be able to also. <br /><br />I also don't do online debates-- I personally don't like them. <br /><br />Let me know. <br /><br />Thanks<br />Ehteshaam Gulam<br />http://www.answering-christian-claims.comEhteshaam Gulamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643516134436298232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-81646163316163563542009-09-24T03:01:15.470-07:002009-09-24T03:01:15.470-07:00Ethesaam ,
Cause you like ibn abbas so much
T...Ethesaam , <br /><br />Cause you like ibn abbas so much<br /><br /><br />The Andalusian interpreter Ibn ‘Atiyya stated that Tahrif means "to change or transfer something from its original character to another" and that Ibn ‘Abbas held that the Jewish (and possibly the Christian, by implication) corruption and change was to be found in exegesis, the letter of the Torah surviving intact, although a second school of scholars maintained that the letters themselves had been changed on the basis that although the Jews had been asked to safeguard the Torah, unlike the Qur’an it was not safeguarded by God Himself. (Laylah, The Qur’an and the Gospels – A Comparative Study [Al-Falah Foundation for Translation, Publication & Distribution, Third edition, 2005], pp. 145-146; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)<br /><br />http://l.b5z.net/i/u/6103974/f/The_Quran_and_the_Gospels__A_Comparative_Study.pdf<br /><br /><br />Seems that ibn abbas didn't believe that the bible was corrupted(textuel)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-37648766597029613582009-09-23T02:39:06.285-07:002009-09-23T02:39:06.285-07:00I think bro,
That it would interesting if we had...I think bro, <br /><br />That it would interesting if we had a debate or dialogue on pal-talk about these matters.<br /><br />Let me know if you are interested.Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-87909093268455522822009-09-23T02:22:34.065-07:002009-09-23T02:22:34.065-07:00Gulam wrote:
rather we have the Gospel of Mark, M...Gulam wrote:<br /><br />rather we have the Gospel of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John! Hence the Christians have invented their own books with their hands and claim that these books that were written by men such as Mark and Matthew are from God! <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />You will have to bring a lot of primary sources to prove all these statement. I have studied this for years, full-time, and you are using humanist material and humanist reasoning at this point. <br />Let me ask you for example: <br /><br />1. would Jesus’ message and tradition be corrupted within a time-span of 30 years while apostles, eyewitnesses were alive and when succession and transmission was applied effectively?<br /> <br />2. Also could you provide the names of those who invented these books?<br /><br />3. And why were these not exposed by the apostles whom even the Qur’an refers to as victorious to the end<br /><br />4. Could you also explain why, if this happened and if these corruptors had to fabricate names of authors, why invent the name Mark, who never met Jesus, why not the name of an apostle, and why Luke? <br /><br />Does this not completely backfire against your entire assumption?<br /><br />Gulam wrote:<br /><br />Yet we know they are not from God, and we know they are a corrupted distorted version of the true Gospel which was the Gospel of Jesus. <br /><br />Elijah replies: <br /><br />How can you deny the gospels which existed and were utilized by Christians in Muhammad’s time and which the Qur’an itself provides credit?<br /><br />I simply don’t get you here, you approach and conclusion here is illogical<br /><br />And again can you explain from primary sources how this corruption from the Gospel of Jesus, which according to the Qur’an is John’s Gospel, took place?<br /><br />Gulam wrote:<br /><br />The four Gospels we have today were written after Jesus, which were based on many false interpretations and guess-work, which was then written down in ink, and then many claimed that these Gospels were from God. <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />You are reiterating the same claims as above, can you provide primary sources to support your claim?<br /><br />Gulam wrote:<br /><br />As for Ibn Abbas, he is regarded as one of the highest authorities in interpretation of the Qur'an and narration of correct hadiths. <br /><br />Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Once the Prophet embraced me and said, "O Allah! Bestow on him the knowledge of the Book (Qur'an)." (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3, Number 75)<br /><br />So Ibn Abbas is quite correct in what he was saying.<br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />How can you believe in a human source such as the Hadith that went through a long period of transmission and then discredit the gospel. <br /><br />Also as I qouted earlier, Abbas also stated that none of Allah’s books could be corrupted by writing. Which of these sources are correct?<br /><br />But then again, if you are to apply your strictness and methodology as you apply it on the gospels, your primary source is the Qur’an, which does not make any appeal about the corruption of the Injeel. <br /><br />Your secondary source is Muhammad which makes no such claim either. Your third class source is Abbas, who is unclear about the matter. <br /><br />My question is: are you gona believe man’s word here or what you assume to be God’s word?<br /><br />Gulam wrote:<br /><br />Also see the Quran 4:157-- The verse is making it clear that the crucifixion of Jesus is conjecture or corruption. The crucifixion of Jesus is clearly taught in the Gospels that we have today, thus the Qur'an is clearly in an indirect way saying that this is corrupted. <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />This passage does not say that the Injeel is corrupted, it says that the teaching about his death is a conjecture, unfortunately the author is not aware of the fact that the previous revelations that Muslims are to believe in (in Muhammad’s time) to remain Muslims, and which I a Christian am to perform contains this very teaching of Jesus death and suffering. <br /><br />This merely suggests that the author of the Qur’an was not GodHogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-88064101184794726192009-09-23T02:22:24.764-07:002009-09-23T02:22:24.764-07:00Gulam wrote:
Notice the Quran says that a Gospel ...Gulam wrote:<br /><br />Notice the Quran says that a Gospel was given to Jesus, so we know from the Quran that Jesus had a Gospel with him, in fact the Bible even testifies to this:<br /><br />And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23)<br /><br />And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where. (Luke 9:6)<br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />Gospel means simply good news, this is not a book given to Jesus, it means that Jesus and his disciples were preaching the good news, which is: ‘The Kingdom of God is near’ (Mark 1: 14-15)<br /><br />I think you are mixing this with teachings of the Kingdom, which is what fulfills the Law and effectively substitutes it (Matthew 11: 11-15). <br /><br />But this teaching is recorded in the gospel writings. These two, his teaching and preaching are different things. Gospel simply implies the good news that the kingdom is near and the teaching is the teaching of the kingdom. <br />Also you need to differentiate between the preaching of the gospel as per definition ‘good news’ and the gospel as writing. Mark begins his gospel with, this is the gospel of Jesus. Yet the gospel writings are also referred to as memoirs of the apostles.<br /><br />Gulam writes:<br /><br />So as you can see, Jesus was given a Gospel, however so where is the Gospel of Jesus? <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />Well let’s post it here<br />This is the beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God (Mark 1: 1)<br /><br />Let me also point out that the Qur’an itself selects its own favorite gospel among the four-fold gospel tradition, let me show you, the Qur’an refers to the unlettered prophet, Muhammad who is supposedly found in the gospel:<br />Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet , whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (Sura 7: 157)<br /><br />According to Sura 61: 6 this prophet is referred to as Ahmad ‘praised one’, which I am sure you will agree is a reference to John 14: 17. <br /><br />Now since the Qur’an states that Muhammad is mentioned in the Gospel and that particular Gospel is John’s Gospel, the Trinitarian Gospel not Mark the earliest gospel, are we not to assume that the author of the Qur’an somehow favored John’s gospel among the four and therefore that John’s gospel at least from the reference, which the Qur’an is providing is the Gospel of Jesus.<br />Can you explain to me why this reference in John is not found in Mark, the earliest gospelHogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-72840837070705637822009-09-23T02:18:51.590-07:002009-09-23T02:18:51.590-07:00Hogan, Bro,
Islam clearly says the current Bible...Hogan, Bro, <br /><br />Islam clearly says the current Bible has been corrupted. <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />I totally fail to see, and I can only as a Christian defend the Qur’an at this point. At least the Qur’an does not sink down to the level of modern muslim notion to follow humanist philosophy. The Qur’an recognises that the Injeel was retained intact:<br /><br />“If you Muhammad are in doubt regarding that which we have revealed to thee, ask THOSE who READ the BOOK from BEFORE YOU” (Sura 10:94).<br /><br />...whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel that IS WITH THEM (Sura 7:156-157)<br /><br />“Say, O people of the book! You are not founded on anything until you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord” (Sura 5:68-71)<br /><br />The Messenger believeth In what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith, each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, HIS BOOKS, and His messenger. “WE MAKE NOT DISTINCTION (they say) between one and another of his messengers.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (we seek) Thy forgivness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys” (Sura 2:285)<br /><br />Be courteous when you argue with People of the Book except with those among them who do evil. Say: “ We believe in that which is revealed to us and which was revealed to you. Our God and your God is one”. (29:46) <br /><br />O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and his Messenger, and the SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO HIS MESSENGER, AND the SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO THOSE BEFORE (HIM). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His BOOKS, His messengers, and the day of judgement, hath gone fare astray (Sura 4:136)<br /><br />Gulam wrote:<br /><br />When the Quran is talking about The Torah, The Psalms and the Gospel-- it's talking about the Torah that was revealed to Moses-- not the one we have now, the Psalms as given to David, Not the one written after the exile and the Gospel of Jesus-- NOT the New Testament Gospels. <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />How then do you explain<br />...whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel that IS WITH THEM (Sura 7:156-157)<br /><br />“Say, O people of the book! You are not founded on anything until you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord” (Sura 5:68-71)<br /><br />Why is Allah referring to the Torah and the Gospel as still with the Christians and the Jews if these books are corrupted?<br />Why am I a Christian founded upon something if I perform the Torah and the Gospel, if they are corrupted?<br /><br />If these books are corrupt and these passages are to be understood in your way, why is Allah not conveying along with these passages a clear explanation that these books are corrupted rather than revealing in these passages that they are not or at least giving the impression that they are not?<br /><br />Gulam wrote:<br /><br />In fact we Muslims believe the Torah was given to Moses, and the Gospel was given to Jesus, for instance the Quran says:<br /><br />And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.<br />(Quran 5:46) <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />Notice Gulam, that the passage says that in this Gospel there is guidance and light, not that there ones was guidance and light but these are now corrupted.Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-15164259940765901982009-09-22T12:20:35.389-07:002009-09-22T12:20:35.389-07:00Hogan, Bro,
Islam clearly says the current Bible...Hogan, Bro, <br /><br />Islam clearly says the current Bible has been corrupted. When the Quran is talking about The Torah, The Psalms and the Gospel-- it's talking about the Torah that was revealed to Moses-- not the one we have now, the Psalms as given to David, Not the one written after the exile and the Gospel of Jesus-- NOT the New Testament Gospels. <br /><br />In fact we Muslims believe the Torah was given to Moses, and the Gospel was given to Jesus, for instance the Quran says:<br /><br />And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.<br />(Quran 5:46) <br /><br />Notice the Quran says that a Gospel was given to Jesus, so we know from the Quran that Jesus had a Gospel with him, in fact the Bible even testifies to this:<br /><br />And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. (Matthew 4:23)<br /><br /> And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where. (Luke 9:6)<br /><br />So as you can see, Jesus was given a Gospel, however so where is the Gospel of Jesus? rather we have the Gospel of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John! Hence the Christians have invented their own books with their hands and claim that these books that were written by men such as Mark and Matthew are from God! Yet we know they are not from God, and we know they are a corrupted distorted version of the true Gospel which was the Gospel of Jesus. The four Gospels we have today were written after Jesus, which were based on many false interpretations and guess-work, which was then written down in ink, and then many claimed that these Gospels were from God. <br /><br />As for Ibn Abbas, he is regarded as one of the highest authorities in interpretation of the Qur'an and narration of correct hadiths. <br /><br />Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: Once the Prophet embraced me and said, "O Allah! Bestow on him the knowledge of the Book (Qur'an)." (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 3, Number 75)<br /><br />So Ibn Abbas is quite correct in what he was saying. <br /><br />Also see the Quran 4:157-- The verse is making it clear that the crucifixion of Jesus is conjecture or corruption. The crucifixion of Jesus is clearly taught in the Gospels that we have today, thus the Qur'an is clearly in an indirect way saying that this is corrupted. <br /><br />Have a good day, Hogan <br /><br />Thanks<br />Ehteshaam Gulam <br />http://www.answering-christian-claims.com (my site)Ehteshaam Gulamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643516134436298232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-7765142898685863872009-09-22T10:01:04.335-07:002009-09-22T10:01:04.335-07:00Gulam wrote:
Oh and The Quran 2:75,79. Our schola...Gulam wrote:<br /><br />Oh and The Quran 2:75,79. Our scholars say that these verses say the Bible has been corrupted<br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />Again, I think you are depending to much upon scholars. Scholars can misinterpret a text, they often do. <br /><br />Again this passage seems to talk about Jews, but I wonder if they are changing the Torah here or the words they hear from Muhammad. <br /><br />Also the passage is clear that only a party of them do this. <br /><br />Hence even if this implied textual corruption of the Torah, it is not a universal corruption.Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-22356165624232860482009-09-22T09:57:20.691-07:002009-09-22T09:57:20.691-07:00Gulam wrote:
Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas...Gulam wrote: <br /><br />Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461) <br /><br />Elijah replies:<br /><br />The problem in utilizing this text is its reference to Ibn Abbas not the Qur'an nor Muhammad. The Qur'an does not include the Injeel into this; here Abbas is reading his own opinion into the Qur'anic text and distorting its meaning.<br /><br />As a matter of fact the Qur'an is pretty clear about the integrity of the Injeel in Muhammad's time:<br /><br />“If you Muhammad are in doubt regarding that which we have revealed to thee, ask THOSE who READ the BOOK from BEFORE YOU” (Sura 10:94).<br /><br />...whom they find written in the Torah and the Gospel that IS WITH THEM (Sura 7:156-157)<br /><br />“Say, O people of the book! You are not founded on anything until you PERFORM the TORAH and the GOSPEL, and what was revealed to you from your Lord” (Sura 5:68-71)<br /><br />The Messenger believeth In what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith, each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, HIS BOOKS, and His messenger. “WE MAKE NOT DISTINCTION (they say) between one and another of his messengers.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (we seek) Thy forgivness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys” (Sura 2:285)<br /> <br />Be courteous when you argue with People of the Book except with those among them who do evil. Say: “ We believe in that which is revealed to us and which was revealed to you. Our God and your God is one”. (29:46) <br /><br />O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and his Messenger, and the SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO HIS MESSENGER, AND the SCRIPTURE WHICH HE SENT TO THOSE BEFORE (HIM). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His BOOKS, His messengers, and the day of judgement, hath gone fare astray (Sura 4:136)<br /><br />It seems to me that I am encouraged by the Qur'an to adhere to my own book and that the Muslims who objects to my devotion to the previous revelations opposes Allah.<br /><br />Furthermore Ibn Abbas also stated that the previous revelations were not corrupted and could never face textual distortions: <br /><br />Al-Bukhari reported that Ibn 'Abbas said that the Ayah means they alter and add although none among Allah's creation CAN REMOVE THE WORDS OF ALLAH FROM HIS BOOKS, THEY ALTER AND DISTORT THEIR APPARENT MEANINGS. Wahb bin Munabbih said, "The Tawrah and Injil REMAIN AS ALLAH REVEALED THEM, AND NO LETTER IN THEM WAS REMOVED. However, the people misguide others by addition and false interpretation, relying on books that they wrote themselves. Then, <br />they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; <br />As for Allah's books, THEY ARE STILL PRESERVED AND CANNOT BE CHANGED." Ibn Abi Hatim recorded this statement. However, if Wahb meant the books that are currently in the hands of the People of the Book, then we should state that there is no doubt that they altered, distorted, added to and deleted from them. For instance, the Arabic versions of these books contain tremendous error, many additions and deletions and enormous misinterpretation. Those who rendered these translations have incorrect comprehension in most, rather, all of these translations. If Wahb meant the Books of Allah that He has with Him, then indeed, these Books are preserved and were never changed. (Ibid., p. 196) <br />Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Volume 2, pp. 195-196Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-28613428151405002822009-09-22T09:50:24.722-07:002009-09-22T09:50:24.722-07:00Let me quote also Sura 5: 13 which only supports m...Let me quote also Sura 5: 13 which only supports my statement that breaking the covenant is not the same as changing the Scripture. <br /><br />Sura 5: 12-13 says:<br /><br />'Allah made a covenant of old with the children of Israel...and because of the breaking of the covenant we have cursed them and made their hearts hard'<br /><br />Hence this is breaking a covenant, probably it refers to Israel's fall into idolatry. <br /><br />Let's then continue, verse 13 says: 'they change words from their context and forget part of of that whereof they were admonished'.<br /><br />Firstly this is written about Jews not Christians.<br /><br />Secondly, we see that that they did two things: changed words and forgot part of the message; these are two different things.<br /><br />Only the changing part implies corruption, yet we need to discus further on this since, in the Qur'anic context and within the early islamic scholarship this implied primarily oral corruption not textual. <br /><br />Thirdly, it confirms that breaking the covenant, which is mentioned prior to this is not the same as the act they engage with in changing the text after Allah has hardened their hearts. <br /><br />Notice in verse 14 that the Christians do not change the words, they do not even forget the covenant in its entirety, they forgot part of the covenant. <br /><br />Hence the Christians according to this passage did not changed the text. <br /><br />The covenant which is still existing is still intact.<br /><br />History reverals and confirms that Christians did not confirm forget their covenant has I pointed out in the original post.Hogan Elijah Hagbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06715947713008941795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-23480877883461542592009-09-22T06:12:22.931-07:002009-09-22T06:12:22.931-07:00You also may want to read:
http://www.call-to-mo...You also may want to read: <br /><br />http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/evidence_that_islam_teaches_that_there_was_textual_corruption_of_the_christian_and_jewish_scriptures<br /><br />as for the Quran persvation: <br /><br />http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/qur_anic_variantsEhteshaam Gulamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643516134436298232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-81208848271360735952009-09-22T05:53:27.796-07:002009-09-22T05:53:27.796-07:00Oh and The Quran 2:75,79. Our scholars say that th...Oh and The Quran 2:75,79. Our scholars say that these verses say the Bible has been corruptedEhteshaam Gulamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643516134436298232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7465988133223323978.post-35464482853356191662009-09-22T05:52:10.704-07:002009-09-22T05:52:10.704-07:00Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "Wh...Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461) <br /><br />What verse from the Quran is this hadith talking about? Quran 5:13-15. Anyways I gotta go to school, we'll discuss this later.Ehteshaam Gulamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643516134436298232noreply@blogger.com