Monday, 15 February 2010

My suggestion to Yahya Snow

Since Yahya Snow has not welcomed my rebuttals of his youtube video, in which he criticises my comments made on that Islam is demonic (see link: ), and since Yahya has even removed the comment section on his blog to prevent the links and my responses to his youtube video (read his explanation: ), all I am going to do now is to ask Yahya to edit his own post and to provide the links to my blogs under the video.

My rebuttals can be read here:

This should be fair and honest toward me and the issue that has been brought up.

So far Yahya's readers and viewers are only introduced to his side of the matter and his refutation, which I have refuted into pieces (check the links to my rebuttals).

Other Christian apologists such as Semper Paratus have experienced a similar treatment doing dialogue with Yahya Snow:

So far Yahya Snow has been permitted to post freely on my blogs and the blog of Semper Paratus and he is still free to post there. Yet we do not share in this privilege when entering the blog of Yahya, which is slightly complicated when engaging in a dialogue.

I can only conclude so far that Yahya is probably being afraid of being exposed.

Yahya has contacted me urging me to be patient, however, this is not a matter of being patient, the issue concerns the basic and simple honesty of providing the full picture of our dialogue to the readers; that simply cannot demand all this time.

I will be patient and wait as long as it takes for his next rebuttal of my refutations of his video, but at least I expect him to share with his readers the full scale of this dialogue.

So what is the problem? Why is it so difficult for Yahya to provide the links to my rebuttals on Yahay's blog?

Why is Yahya afraid of comments? He claims that unmoderated comments are chaotic, and I can only say: good grief. I run three blogs and contribute to a fourth, I have never had that problem. But now Yahya states that even moderating the comment sections is an impossible task, mainly due to blasphemous statements (I guess my honest rebuttals) and dubious links (my blogs). Due to this he closed down the comment sections.

See his reason for removing the comment section here below:

'It has been removed. A moderated comment section was in vogue, however seen as I am being further pressed for time I cannot commit to moderated comments...which does require time and effort as many comments contain blasphemy and dubious links.
An unmoderated comment section does has been tried in the past and has failed pretty miserably :(

So, for those who wish to interact or have suggestions then please contact me via YouTube.'

See link below:

All I am asking Yahya to do is to present his rebuttal against me in full context and to allow his readers to know that Hogan has defended himself: that Hogan does not perceive himself as misbehaving nor does he perceive himself as being unwise. Furthermore, his readers and viewers ought to know that Hogan has defended himself against several remarks in the video in which Yahya states that Hogan must know otherwise and that Hogan has not read the Bible. Also the readers and viewers of Yahya should be introduced to the real matter, that is: what Hogan originally reacted to.

I expect therefore Yahya Snow to show honesty in this matter and edit his video or original post on his blog and on the youtube and provide the links to my rebuttals and the original issue I reacted to when I made the comment.

No offence bro, I respect you and I hope we can keep up the dialogue.

God bless


Ehteshaam Gulam said...

Hey Hogan how is it going?

Ehteshaam Gulam

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Doing very well thanks. How are you bro?

I was unable to link to your article: 'why I am not a Christan'.

Is there another title for it?

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...
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Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

I read your article on Josephus and Jesus.

Firstly I could not care less if Josephus referred to Jesus' death and resurrection or not.

I do not base my faith upon Josephus.

Furthermore, I do not see how or why this argument supports your case. Obviously the Qur'an states that Allah somehow deceived the Jews by making Jesus' death appear to them (a Gnostic idea).

The argument against this passage in Josephus might support your disbelief in the resurrection of Jesus. But then again, probably all Jews from this time could confirm that the resurrection of Jesus was the standard doctrine of Christians. The resurrection of Jesus is not by evidence based upon the Jewish community as a whole.

Furthemore, Christians in 30-80 believed in the resurrection, whereas the earliest recorded disbelief in Jesus resurrection is dated 110 AD in the writings of Ignatius the disciple of Peter and John the apostles, in which he responds to the docetics who believed that Jesus was fully spiritual and hence not really subject physical pain or death.

Islamics reference to such early heretical ideas do therefore not support the claim of the Qur'an.

As to your conclusion in the article, I am not entirely in agreement with you either.

Your approach appears at least to me to be inconsistent. For example at the end of your article you suggest that we should not pay attention to those scholars who suggest otherwise to your conclusion since they are only the opinions of scholars. But notice that the values of the arguments you bring up against the passage being authentic are also based upon scholars opinions.

In fact there are scholars who state otherwise to these, namely that removing the particular words from the passage in Josephus breaks the flow and renders the text devoid of something.

Ehteshaam Gulam said...

I think this should work:

As for repsonse to my article, I'll respond to it on my website soon. Right now busy with my job.

Thanks for reading.

Ehteshaam Gulam

Ehteshaam Gulam said...

^ If you copy and paste the link to your address bar.

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Ehteshaam Gulam said...

You may also want to see this

This guy proves Joesphus is a fabrication.

Ehteshaam Gulam

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Etheshaam wrote:

You may also want to see this

This guy proves Joesphus is a fabrication.

Hogan replies:

You cannot be serious bro.

The guy is a hard core atheist who does not believe that Jesus ever existed, his views, approach and methodology are based upon that assumuption. As a Muslim you ought to know better.

Furthermore, the guy does not prove anything; his entire approach is assumption. Furthemore, he appears to me to be a complete joke.

You need to start choosing your favorits carefully and wisely. To use this individual (among others such as Richard Carrier) to prove the polemics of Islam against Christianity simply tells me that the religion of Islam must be getting highly desparate and facing some serious problems.

Hogan Elijah Hagbard said...

Furthermore, Ehtheshaam,

If this guy you refer to on Josephus is so scholarly correct and has all his information right, then I hope you are also gona take another video by him as credible information:

In which he proves that Muslim need to accept that Christian messaga and that Muhammad was probably a mad-man.

This is called 'cherry picking' and is not an acceptable approch when engaging in serious scholarly study.

GreekAsianPanda said...

Regarding Josephus: I know that most (if not all) of Josephus' passage about Yeshua in Antiquities 18.3.3 is an interpolation, but what do you think of the reference to "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ" in Antiquities 20.9.1, Hogan and Ehteshaam? Do you think it's genuine?

A response and challenge to those who oppose the Christian faith.